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Bart_van_der_Wolf
December 1st, 2007, 03:43 PM
FYI.

I saw an interesting image comparison between the above mentioned cameras at DPreview (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=25835108).

Bart


P.S. At f/11 the 1Ds Mark III is diffraction limited compared to the others.

Rainer Viertlböck
December 1st, 2007, 04:54 PM
FYI.

I saw an interesting image comparison between the above mentioned cameras at DPreview (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=25835108).

Bart


P.S. At f/11 the 1Ds Mark III is diffraction limited compared to the others.

fantastic the canon ... as i expected it.

Bart_van_der_Wolf
December 1st, 2007, 05:17 PM
fantastic the canon ... as i expected it.

I agree, especially given the differences in magnification factor and diffraction (both working against the Canon, given the shooting parameters). The Canon's dynamic range seems to be a tiny bit lower than the P21's, also as expected (but could also be caused by the Raw converter used).

Bart

Eric Hiss
December 1st, 2007, 09:54 PM
The canon will be a great camera considering the AF and the speed compared to its MF competitors, however on plain image quality the P21 clearly wins here. The color, the DR are clearly better plus the image has greater depth and 3D. Just look at the windows in the building across the street and you can see the difference in the DR between the canon and the p21.

I guess since its hard to compare a DSLR with a MFDB because of the differences in shooting, the real loser here is the ZD.

I'd like to see another shootout with a leica or zeiss or even a zuiko lens fitted to the canon. I think the P21 would still show better color, and better DR.

Rainer Viertlböck
December 2nd, 2007, 03:26 AM
The canon will be a great camera considering the AF and the speed compared to its MF competitors, however on plain image quality the P21 clearly wins here. The color, the DR are clearly better plus the image has greater depth and 3D. Just look at the windows in the building across the street and you can see the difference in the DR between the canon and the p21.

I guess since its hard to compare a DSLR with a MFDB because of the differences in shooting, the real loser here is the ZD.

I'd like to see another shootout with a leica or zeiss or even a zuiko lens fitted to the canon. I think the P21 would still show better color, and better DR.

i hardly doubt that the canon will have lower dr than the p21. both have 14bit files and the canon seems to be tested and to have around 11 stops usable DR. This is excelent and the p21 will have a hard game to match this even at base iso. the claimed 12stops from the manufactors is a theoretical marketing number.

Eric Hiss
December 2nd, 2007, 11:38 AM
Yes at anything over about ISO 400 or perhaps even ISO 200 the new canon is going to be king. If you like to shoot wide the full frame is also a real advantage. But I think the MF is still going to produce a better file under some circumstances.