smooth light

[Georg R. Baumann]

a little walk by the river, I liked that smooth light in this scene here

http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/71e26a438f833ad5b2a29b5960dcc7786g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=nggoxycun0i&thumb=4)

in contrast to the rich moss on the tree

http://www1.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/347af7c882d72862da4e6a431bba28c06g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=bldgo00yj0v&thumb=4)

[Nicolas Claris]

Bonsoir Georg

beautiful! stuning colors!

But please for your image to be seen correctly, embed the color profile when saving your jpgs. Opened in CS your image are much warmer…

So maybe we don't see them correctly thru our web browser…

[Georg R. Baumann]

Sorry for that Nicolas. Sadly, I am not working in a calibrated environment yet. I choose proPhoto RGB when I run them through ACR and then just save for web via CS3.

[Asher Kelman]

I'm not sure exactly what that does. It might make decisions based on the idea that you would be posting on generic PC's and so since that is not ICC color referenced, the gamut is tightened. Maybe someone knows for sure?

Better convert profile to sRGB.

Asher

[Cem_Usakligil]

I'm not sure exactly what that does. It might make decisions based on the idea that you would be posting on generic PC's and so since that is not ICC color referenced, the gamut is tightened. Maybe someone knows for sure?

Better convert profile to sRGB.

Asher
Save for web does indeed convert to sRGB when saving.

Kr,

Cem

[Shane Carter]

Wow, those are great! Love the deep shadows with detail and rich colors...well exposed.

[Nicolas Claris]

Save for web does indeed convert to sRGB when saving.

Kr,

Cem

Yes Cem, for sure, but SFTW doesn't embed the sRGB profile.
Clever browsers do use this information for more accurate display. AFAIR there is a mark to check in the SFTW window to include the profile…

For Info, SFTW does clear most (if not all) of the exif infos… I much prefer "save as" jpeg.

[Cem_Usakligil]

Yes Cem, for sure, but SFTW doesn't embed the sRGB profile.
Clever browsers do use this information for more accurate display. AFAIR there is a mark to check in the SFTW window to include the profile…

For Info, SFTW does clear most (if not all) of the exif infos… I much prefer "save as" jpeg.
Hi Nicolas,

You are absolutely correct. I too always use save as jpeg, it gives you control and flexibility. But even there, one has to do two steps extra: convert to 8 bits (from 16 bits) and convert to sRGB manually. And the save the profile box is automatically checked, but can also be unchecked. All together, there are more things that can go wrong, but this is the price of having control over things.

Cheers,

Cem

[Georg R. Baumann]

Hi Cem.

good to see you again!

You guys given me food for thought. I just opened that bridge JPEG in CS3 and it is 8 bit. However, I admit, I am guilty not to pay any particular attention to specialities when it comes to saving for webpresence, mainly because I do not maintain a website yet with my work to display propperly.

However, from what I understand, browsers are not colormanaged, right?

Hence, all I do is make sure it is srgb and I thought this conversion happens once I chose save for web. (The window with 4 different compression sizes to choose from.) I never cared in particular for exif data to be included as 95% of the stuff I do are multiple exposures.

However, I will have a look at the options in that SFTW menue. - Thanks for that hint! -

@Shane, thank you, I found this bridge scene intruiging too.

P.S.
I think the latest CS3 update took that SFTW out completly, not sure why.

[Cem_Usakligil]

Hi Cem.

good to see you again!

You guys given me food for thought. I just opened that bridge JPEG in CS3 and it is 8 bit. However, I admit, I am guilty not to pay any particular attention to specialities when it comes to saving for webpresence, mainly because I do not maintain a website yet with my work to display propperly.

However, from what I understand, browsers are not colormanaged, right?

Hence, all I do is make sure it is srgb and I thought this conversion happens once I chose save for web. (The window with 4 different compression sizes to choose from.) I never cared in particular for exif data to be included as 95% of the stuff I do are multiple exposures.

However, I will have a look at the options in that SFTW menue. - Thanks for that hint! -

@Shane, thank you, I found this bridge scene intruiging too.

P.S.
I think the latest CS3 update took that SFTW out completly, not sure why.

Hi Georg,

Good to be back, thanks :).

CS3 still has SFTW option, it is called Save for Web & Devices (Alt-Shift-Ctl-S)
You can use it if you want to; but just check the ICC profile box to save the sRGB profile info embedded in the jpeg. Although browsers are not yet color managed, this does not hurt and takes away any ambiguity for those who view the image using other programs. It is also more future proof, browsers will evolve one day.

Re. the image of the bridge, it has beautiful light indeed. But the (low) contrast is such that one has to look twice before understanding that one is looking at a stream flowing under the arch of a bridge. But i like it anyway.

Kr,

Cem

[janet Smith]

Hi Georg

I can almost smell the woody mossy smells looking at these shots, I just love to walk through forests and by rivers, shame we can't capture the smell isn't it....Beautiful light, was it late afternoon?

[Georg R. Baumann]

CS3 still has SFTW option, it is called Save for Web & Devices (Alt-Shift-Ctl-S)
You can use it if you want to; but just check the ICC profile box to save the sRGB profile info embedded in the jpeg. Although browsers are not yet color managed, this does not hurt and takes away any ambiguity for those who view the image using other programs. It is also more future proof, browsers will evolve one day.

Good idea, will do in future; Thanks!

Re. the image of the bridge, it has beautiful light indeed. But the (low) contrast is such that one has to look twice before understanding that one is looking at a stream flowing under the arch of a bridge. But i like it anyway.


Good, keeps your eye on the picture. LOL

Seriously, I know what you mean, see, I am not spending more than 5-10 minutes on a picture in photopshop currently, all this will change once I print. Take them as "atmospheric samples" nuttin more. <smile>

This picture would require a lot more detail work in my book, but the essential idea can be seen.

[Georg R. Baumann]

Hi Georg

I can almost smell the woody mossy smells looking at these shots, I just love to walk through forests and by rivers, shame we can't capture the smell isn't it....Beautiful light, was it late afternoon?

Hi Janet,

yup was afternoon. I enjoy that too, particulary this time of the year. No midges! But this year I plan to buy a portable midge-massaker-device. LOL

[Asher Kelman]

Not to get off topic too much, but since we've touched on stripping EXIFS, I really don't think we should be posting images with no identifying info, especially the © ownership and © license and so forth. If the image is not identified as owned by someone, it will end up being used as part of the public domain. Not having information on the camera used and settings is another matter. Maybe you want to hide your technic. Your ownership and contact info should not be left out unless you really are giving the images away to the world.

Just a thought!

Asher

[janet Smith]

Hi Georg

Yeah great in Scotland this time of year - no midges!!! I looked into the portable midge blasters but the were discontinued, house we stayed in last summer had the large machine in the garden which had bracken and a stream running through it overhung with trees (midge heaven) the machine made a huge difference we were able to sit out and enjoy the garden without being eaten alive, they always bite me around my eyes, and I didn't get one bite, I would highly recommend them....

[Georg R. Baumann]

Your ownership and contact info should not be left out

Good point. I must take care for that! - Thanks! -

[Georg R. Baumann]

Hi Georg

Yeah great in Scotland this time of year - no midges!!! I looked into the portable midge blasters but the were discontinued, house we stayed in last summer had the large machine in the garden which had bracken and a stream running through it overhung with trees (midge heaven) the machine made a huge difference we were able to sit out and enjoy the garden without being eaten alive, they always bite me around my eyes, and I didn't get one bite, I would highly recommend them....

While expensive, I have one of those since 3 years, and I would guess an area of around 1 acre is midge free since 2 years now. Killzone! Yeah, they are really good.

[Asher Kelman]

a little walk by the river, I liked that smooth light in this scene here

http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/71e26a438f833ad5b2a29b5960dcc7786g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=nggoxycun0i&thumb=4)

Tell me George, what is the workflow to produce the special dimensional effect. Have you combined carious RAW versions?

in contrast to the rich moss on the tree

http://www1.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/347af7c882d72862da4e6a431bba28c06g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=bldgo00yj0v&thumb=4)

I do like the tree with moss. In fact, one has no choice in the matter. That is one unusual collection of textured green and no doubt is a favorite spot for goblins and hobbits. However, having said that, I'm troubled a little by the angle from which the shot has been taken with respect to what lies beyond the Y opening between the spread branches. I have a feeling that moving to the right (if that does not put you over a cliff or in the water) might complete the composition in a more satisfactory and less combative way. The b.g. at the present is not in synergy with the foreground and that I find a little disturbing.

Of course, I can make any suggestion from across the Atlantic Ocean and a whole width of a continent and it may have zero applicability to the scene. I have no wide picture or GPS location. Still, I don't believe this is the best image you will make of this special tree. I do hope it is nearby.

Thanks for sharing.

Asher

[Georg R. Baumann]

Tell me George, what is the workflow to produce the special dimensional effect. Have you combined carious RAW versions?

Yes, I can help you with that, this is answered in great detail on my "Mastering 3D quality with a Nokia smartphone 72 hours DVD workshop", containing 386 mp3 files and 291 quicktime films. It is available until February 26th for only 1295 USD (including shipping worldwide). For only additional 250 USD you receive also the orginal Masterfile with all 127 photoshop layers and a companion 2" x 1" print (not matted, not framed). After February 26th it will sell for the regulary 1999 USD.

LOLOLOL

Seriously, I posted somewhere in the PS section something about it. I just experiment with using B&W Filters.

Generally, yes, I take multiple exposure, merge them, tonemap in photomatix, then again use shadow/ highlight further in selected areas in PS, then apply different B&W filter layers with different opacities in selected areas (changed to luminosity blending mode) as well as sharpen different areas with different values. Nuttin special, that's about all that is to it.

In fact, one has no choice in the matter. That is one unusual collection of textured green and no doubt is a favorite spot for goblins and hobbits. <smile>

I have a feeling that moving to the right (if that does not put you over a cliff or in the water) might complete the composition in a more satisfactory and less combative way..... Still, I don't believe this is the best image you will make of this special tree. I do hope it is nearby.


There were cows and a bull, as well as calvs on the grounds, and I chose not to test my remaining sprinting qualities. LOL

You are 100% right, I was just "scouting", and had not a lot of time. But this spot is on my watchlist in deed! I also look forward to have a wide angle lense for such endeavours on of these days.

Your input is always much valued Asher, really! Thanks! Another thing, while still no copyright, I think an ICC profile should be included in this picture now, I just hooked the relevant box. Does it make a difference for you guys?

http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/7e9066a5e0f401f8eba3b5a4e52fee6c6g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zjjxsmtdcn3&thumb=4)

[Cem_Usakligil]

...Another thing, while still no copyright, I think an ICC profile should be included in this picture now, I just hooked the relevant box. Does it make a difference for you guys?
It does look OK on my monitor (watching with Opera browser, monitor calibrated).

Kr,

Cem

[Georg R. Baumann]

Stupid me....

Thanks Cem, but I should have done that different, posted one with ICC and one without and see whether it really makes any difference at all. Ah well...

[Cem_Usakligil]

Stupid me....

Thanks Cem, but I should have done that different, posted one with ICC and one without and see whether it really makes any difference at all. Ah well...
Don't worry. If you go down this route, it won't be wrong.

Kr,

Cem

[Nicolas Claris]

Hi Georg
there's something wrong in your link, your image don't show… I checked the URL and looks really curious… can you check on your side?

BTW On Macs Safari and Firefox are color managed… for long! I guess that now Windows user have such capability (as Cem with Opera) and most certainly with Firefox too. As to IE, may I doubt?


http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/7e9066a5e0f401f8eba3b5a4e52fee6c6g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zjjxsmtdcn3&thumb=4)

[Georg R. Baumann]

Some times when they do server upgrades or similiar it might not show, at the moment it is just fine.

[Nicolas Claris]

sorry, Georg, but nope :-(

[Asher Kelman]

Disparu! Rien!

Asher

[Georg R. Baumann]

grmbl...

what about this picture now... can you see it?

http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/6b8ce9e7c4125578aeb2352cccce3df56g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=jjmbbdz0i3z&thumb=4)

[Cem_Usakligil]

grmbl...

what about this picture now... can you see it?

yes.

kr

cem

[Georg R. Baumann]

LOL... well, you saw it anyways.... <grins>

[Nicolas Claris]

YESSSS!
and yes to make the message longer…

[Cem_Usakligil]

YESSSS!
and yes to make the message longer…
eeeexactly

[Georg R. Baumann]

LOLOL Thanks Folks!

[Nicolas Claris]

http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/7e9066a5e0f401f8eba3b5a4e52fee6c6g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=zjjxsmtdcn3&thumb=4)

I would love to see this one with better light and with DOF from houses to the wave (but the foreground stone wall t be OOF).

BTW great place but a lot of work to do before inviting your friend for a week-end in your cottage ;-)

[Georg R. Baumann]

We are battered by storms the last few days, and I could not work the scene as I wanted for the winds were way too strong in deed with gusts of +110kmh.

Friends usually stay in the east wing as the air is nice and crisp. LOL

[janet Smith]

I thought my house was going to end up looking like this last night, we had an earthquake at 1am, unusually we were still up when the house started to shake, everything in the cupboards rattled, amazing, we don't seem to have any structural damage thankfully.....

[Cem_Usakligil]

I thought my house was going to end up looking like this last night, we had an earthquake at 1am, unusually we were still up when the house started to shake, everything in the cupboards rattled, amazing, we don't seem to have any structural damage thankfully.....
Hi Jan,

I just heard it on the news! How big was the shake? I'm glad to hear that you've got no damages :-).

Cheers,

Cem

[janet Smith]

Hi Cem

It was exciting! never experienced anything like it before, if you imagine a huge truck parked right next to your house, the vibration initially was something like that, but it then got a lot stronger, pictures on the walls shook, everything shook!! things in cupboards jangled, our burglar alarm went off, the dog barked, but it only lasted about 20 seconds or so, very exciting. The only thing that is apparent in the house is that the fridge stopped working as they sometimes do when they are moved, it's started working again now, amazing!!

[Georg R. Baumann]

I thought my house was going to end up looking like this last night, we had an earthquake at 1am, unusually we were still up when the house started to shake, everything in the cupboards rattled, amazing, we don't seem to have any structural damage thankfully.....

WOW!

I am glad to hear that you did not suffer any damage let aside personal injuries!

I know how scarey this is, I used to live in a penthouse of a skyscraper when I was thrown out ot the waterbed all of the sudden. It took me a few seconds to realise what was happening, but when I saw the cologne cathedral and realised the movement, well.... I made my peace. The epicenter was in the netherlands, and because I was up high on the 37th floor, of course it was somewhat dramatic.

[janet Smith]

I know how scarey this is, I used to live in a penthouse of a skyscraper when I was thrown out ot the waterbed all of the sudden.

Georg, if it hadn't have been scarey, it would have been hilarious! (or maybe it's just my silly sense of humour)

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

The epicenter was in the netherlands, and because I was up high on the 37th floor, of course it was somewhat dramatic.

That was a very uncommon event in the Netherlands, I believe the epicentre was in the south of the Netherlands, not too far from where my parents lived. I remember my parents' report of the event. According to my mother she woke up because some picture frames and statuettes fell over on her nightstand . She woke my father and said "What's happening"? My father woke up and said "Oh, it's an earthquake", as he turned over and went back to sleep (as a retired airline captain he was used to some turbulence ;-) ).

The fact that my parents lived in a single level bungalow surely helped to reduce the swinging you must have experienced. The movement can get amplified as you get higher from the ground level.

Bart

[Georg R. Baumann]

oh yes, you sure could call that SWING in deed. Honestly, it still sends shivers down my spine thinking about it. I bring something like 100kg to a scale, and the movement of the water in the bed (1000 liter) managed to throw me out. All of the sudden I found myself beside the bed. To see the Colgne cathedral swinging left/right and to realize it was the skyscraper itself was mindblowing.