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Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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Got it. Went to see some old engines, steam and diesel, at the Haapamäki train depot, home of the Haapamäki Museum Train association. Now that was a great day out!

Tk 3 1136

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The Depot

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Side by side

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More to follow, like it or not.
 
Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

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Hi, Jarmo,

This is all lovely.

I think this is all 5-foot (1524 mm) gauge.

The second one is of what here we would call the roundhouse plus the turntable.

Nice detail of the buffer-and-chain coupling system. We note (as on German and Scandinavian lines) that one buffer face is round and one flat. (This allows reliable "central" contact regardless of some angular misalignment, as we get on a curve, without making one buffer want to "slide off" the other.)

I like the color-coding of the train airbrake line and steam line couplers (but i think the colors are sort of counter-intuitive).

I think that unlike the type of hose couplings used in the US (colloquially called the "gladhand", as the engagement is evocative of an handshake), these will not gladly pull apart if the cars are uncoupled and just moved apart. (That is essentially almost always how the brake and steam lines are uncoupled in the US!)

Thanks so much.

Best regards,

Doug
 
Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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Maggie, Robert, Antonio, thank you all so much!

Doug, I had no idea about the things you just went through. Thank you so much, this is all very interesting. You certainly know your trains and engines! I have more of a little boy's approach to them. I said wow a lot of times that day and dream of operating these magnificent machines.

Do fill in the technical details as this series evolves. There a many more images to come!
 
Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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Tk 1136 (first image in the original post) is the only running steam engine the Association operates at the moment. However, this beast will hopefully be running this very summer:

In renovation

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Here are two renovators and association actives who happily allowed me to include them in the picture, as well.


Two renovators

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Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

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Hi, Jarmo,

As you perhaps know, 1082 is a VR Class Tr1 locomotive. The class was earlier called R1, and the class was nicknamed "Risto", for Finnish President Risto Ryti (president 1940-1944).

This one was built by Lokomo in Tampere, Finland. The class was built by several manufacturers between 1940-1947. (This has a fairly late number, 1082, in the series, 1030-1096.) 1096 was in fact the last steam locomotive built for VR.

The series was fully taken out of service in 1975.

This one is said to have ended up in Haapamäki.

It is of course a 2-8-2 (Whyte notation; 1D1 in UIC) configuration (often called in the US a "Mikado"), with a weight of 157 tonnes.

Nice machine.

Best regards,

Doug
 
Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

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Hi, Jarmo,

I don't know what kind of spring equalization systems that locomotive uses, but in any case there are a lot of misunderstandings about the principles in that area.

Perhaps the restorers would find this article of interest:

http://dougkerr.net/pumpkin/Articles/Spring_Equalization.pdf

Perhaps this one as well, on valve gear:

http://dougkerr.net/pumpkin/articles/Loco_Valves.pdf

My server is undergoing a big renovation just now, so download speeds are very slow. This should be over with in just a couple of days.

Best regards,

Doug
 
Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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I'm not easily left speechless but this time... Doug, calling your knowledge impressive would be a gross understatement. The people at Haapamäki did tell us about the Risto nickname and now that you mention where the name came from I do have a vague memory of having heard the explanation before.

They also have some Hr1 locomotives, nicknamed Ukko-Pekka after another Finnish president, Pehr-Evind Svinhufvud (in office between 1931 -1937). I understand Ukko-Pekka and Risto are nearly similar. Sadly, they are not under renovation, nor in running order at the moment.

Hr1 "Ukko-Pekka" 1092

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All aboard! ... and some gear

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(It was a field trip of a local photo club​
 
M

Michael Nagel

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Jarmo,

Thanks for showing these and Doug, thanks for the additions.
Looking is one thing but a ride on a train pulled by one of these locomotives is something else...

Best regards,
Michael
 
Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

Well-known member
Hi, Jarmo,

Jarmo Juntunen said:
I'm not easily left speechless but this time... Doug, calling your knowledge impressive would be a gross understatement.
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I just look most of this stuff up as I go! But of course I know what to look for, and what to make out of what I find!

The people at Haapamäki did tell us about the Risto nickname and now that you mention where the name came from I do have a vague memory of having heard the explanation before.

They also have some Hr1 locomotives, nicknamed Ukko-Pekka after another Finnish president, Pehr-Evind Svinhufvud (in office between 1931 -1937). I understand Ukko-Pekka and Risto are nearly similar. Sadly, they are not under renovation, nor in running order at the moment.

Hr1 "Ukko-Pekka" 1092

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From the number, that should be a late Tr1 (and the wheel arrangement is consistent with that).

All aboard! ... and some gear

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This is a good number for an Hr1 (and the wheel arrangement is consistent with that).

It is indeed similar to the Tr1 but with a 4-6-2 (2C1) (known in the US as the "Pacific" configuration) wheel arrangement.

It was a field trip of a local photo club.
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How wondrous!

Best regards,

Doug
 
Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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"From the number, that should be a late Tr1 (and the wheel arrangement is consistent with that)." -Yes, Doug, I'm sure that's true. Thank you! Also big thanks to everyone who's visited the series so far!

Now for something a bit less engineering oriented. I found this railway car very fascinating. Half of the car was a so called "conductor's department" that was used to transport mail and other smaller goods via the railways. (The following pictures are a compilation of two separate cars.)

In the Conductor's

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In the Conductor's 2

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Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

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Hi, Jarmo,

Jarmo Juntunen said:
Now for something a bit less engineering oriented.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that!

I found this railway car very fascinating. Half of the car was a so called "conductor's department" that was used to transport mail and other smaller goods via the railways. (The following pictures are a compilation of two separate cars.)

In the Conductor's

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Very nice. Thanks.

We note the Finnish style chain guard on the bike (covers top, front, and bottom of the chain). We contrast it with the American style (covers top and front only) and the Dutch style (covers everything).

In the Netherlands this is even reflected accurately in the simplified bicycle silhouette that appears on traffic signs pertaining to bicycles. Does the comparable thing happen in Finland?

Somehow I think that on Finnish traffic signs involving bicycles the avatar for the bicycle does not suggest the chain at all, maybe like so:

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Best regards,

Doug
 
Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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Doug, you're right about the bicycle signs. I guess it is a European thing. I haven't seen guards like that in a long time, modern bikes around here don't have such heavy chain protection any more.

Here's one for today:

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Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

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Hi, Jarmo,

Jarmo Juntunen said:
Got muscle?


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Fabulous wheel design on this (which would be called in the U.S. a "section car") - very light, with flanges inside and out (a little tricky at turnouts, I would say).

Also a nice arrangement for hand and foot power.

There are two here, "nested".

Thanks so much.

Best regards,

Doug
 
Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

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Hi, Jarmo,

Just for reference, this is a typical "traditional" U.S. section car (also called "handcar"):

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This is a one-person more modern version:

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Of course gasoline-engine driven ones later became common.

Best regards,

Doug
 
Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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Thanks Doug, an interesting comment as usual! The Finnish name, resiina, is derived from the English draisine (Swedish dressin, French Draisienne and so on) after the inventor, a German Baron Karl Christian Ludwig Drais von Sauerbronn.
 
Jarmo Juntunen

Jarmo Juntunen

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Dr12 Huru


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Dr12 is a heavy diesel locomotive that was in active use as late as the 1990's. 2216 was built in 1960. Class Dr12 became the final diesel replacement of steam locos on the Finnish railways. 2216 (an other Dr12s) weighs 122 tons and its' 1900 bhp Tampella/MAN V8V22/30 engine was considered slightly underpowered for the size of the loco.
 
Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

Well-known member
Hi, Jarmo,

Jarmo Juntunen said:
Dr12 Huru


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Dr12 is a heavy diesel locomotive that was in active use as late as the 1990's. 2216 was built in 1960. Class Dr12 became the final diesel replacement of steam locos on the Finnish railways. 2216 (an other Dr12s) weighs 122 tons and its' 1900 bhp Tampella/MAN V8V22/30 engine was considered slightly underpowered for the size of the loco.
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Very nice. Lovely machine. I think only two of these survive.

Thanks.

Clever how they hook the coupling link onto the releasing screw handle to keep the link from dangling so far down. (I'm not sure I even know how they can do that!)

In the UK, there is often a small hook below the main hook on which the link of an unused coupling may be hooked (it is folded back) when not in use (it is only permitted to operate with the link of an unused coupling dangling in switchyard operation and such).

Here she is underway:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/allanscotson/7776695880/in/set-72157623516256569

Thanks again.

Best regards,

Doug
 
Doug Kerr

Doug Kerr

Well-known member
Hi, Jarmo,

You say:
Jarmo Juntunen said:
Class Dr12 became the final diesel replacement of steam locos on the Finnish railways.
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I'm not sure I understand that. Do you mean it was the latest diesel locomotive that was introduced while there were still steam locomotives in operation? There were several series' of diesel locomotives after the Dr12 (notably Dr13, Dr14, and Dr16).

Best regards,

Doug
 
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