Doug Kerr
Well-known member
I came to understand the concepts of "representation by sampling" in connection with the introduction of digital transmission into the telephone network, which occurred early in my "formal" career in that industry. And so it was in that context that I came to grasp the concept of "foldover distortion" (or "aliasing"), and the role of a low-pass filter before the sampling process to mitigate the phenomenon.
And of course my grasp of the somewhat (not not exactly) parallel situation in digital imaging is colored (for better or worse) by that background.
In the design of basic "PCM" digital encoder for audio, in the early days, the exact response of the anti-aliasing filter was of considerable interest - not because of any notion that it was "harmful", and we needed to minimize that harm, but just because a sharp cutoff was expensive to do (these were of course analog filters at the time), and has some bad side effects. There was never any discussion about "what a shame that this filter limits the bandwidth of the channel" - we understood the Nyquist limit (Harry was after all one of us) and the basic system, sampling at 8000 Hz, was intended to support a "legacy" channel bandwidth of 3450 Hz.
Now in digital imaging, many things are different. For one thing, there really isn't any reconstruction low-pass filter - that just happens because of the finite resolution of the display or print process.
And of course the use of CFA sensors complicates the aliasing issue, where some of the artifacts are of a chromatic nature. (In fact, this makes some people incorrectly think that the aliasing problem is solely a creature of CFA operation, hardly so.)
In any case, overall I'm not able to develop as clear an "image" of the issues as I have had in digital audio.
We hear lot about the advantages, in some situations, of eliminating the overt low-pass antialising filter in the interest of improved something (sharpness?) at the expense of increased exposure to aliasing artifacts.
I would be very interesting in seeing some comparisons between the same scene captured with two cameras with identical sensors except that in one case there was no overt antialising filter.
Does anybody know where such a comparison can be found?
Incidentally, we may soon be very easily able to have such a comparison, what with the new Ricoh Pentax K-3, where the antialising is done by dithering the sensor and can be shut off or set to two "bandwidths".
Best regards,
Doug
And of course my grasp of the somewhat (not not exactly) parallel situation in digital imaging is colored (for better or worse) by that background.
In the design of basic "PCM" digital encoder for audio, in the early days, the exact response of the anti-aliasing filter was of considerable interest - not because of any notion that it was "harmful", and we needed to minimize that harm, but just because a sharp cutoff was expensive to do (these were of course analog filters at the time), and has some bad side effects. There was never any discussion about "what a shame that this filter limits the bandwidth of the channel" - we understood the Nyquist limit (Harry was after all one of us) and the basic system, sampling at 8000 Hz, was intended to support a "legacy" channel bandwidth of 3450 Hz.
Now in digital imaging, many things are different. For one thing, there really isn't any reconstruction low-pass filter - that just happens because of the finite resolution of the display or print process.
And of course the use of CFA sensors complicates the aliasing issue, where some of the artifacts are of a chromatic nature. (In fact, this makes some people incorrectly think that the aliasing problem is solely a creature of CFA operation, hardly so.)
In any case, overall I'm not able to develop as clear an "image" of the issues as I have had in digital audio.
We hear lot about the advantages, in some situations, of eliminating the overt low-pass antialising filter in the interest of improved something (sharpness?) at the expense of increased exposure to aliasing artifacts.
I would be very interesting in seeing some comparisons between the same scene captured with two cameras with identical sensors except that in one case there was no overt antialising filter.
Does anybody know where such a comparison can be found?
Incidentally, we may soon be very easily able to have such a comparison, what with the new Ricoh Pentax K-3, where the antialising is done by dithering the sensor and can be shut off or set to two "bandwidths".
Best regards,
Doug