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Old July 19th, 2011, 12:42 PM
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Thanks Asher. I did not ask, but it seems to be a punch/riveting tool.
The picture was taken in a mixture of atelier/shop and the owner told me that she placed the light intentionally underlining the shape of the tool and creating the shadow.

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Old July 26th, 2011, 01:37 PM
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Old July 27th, 2011, 12:12 AM
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Stairway.
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Mike,

This is so pristine and the "door/window" space is mysterious and we can just get locked into wondering what it might be. The shadow angles are so soft, delicate and interesting. You obviously could have increased the contrast to make them snap and I applaud your decision not to do that and leave them as gentle playing on the wall.

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Old July 28th, 2011, 12:38 AM
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^^^ That's a sleek photo Mike






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Old August 18th, 2011, 02:50 PM
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Asher, Ruben

Thanks. I really didn't want to darken the shadows as that left the image too graphic and not airy and light - the whimsy gets lost.


Ruben, very different pictures. The second appeals to me more immediately for the shadow. The first I suspect grows in print from as more things and relationships are noticed over time.

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Old August 23rd, 2011, 03:16 AM
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Ruben Alfu : Shadow




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That looks like a magnificent shadow, but is it?

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Old August 23rd, 2011, 01:15 PM
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Ruben,

That looks like a magnificent shadow, but is it?

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Yes Asher, that's a guy with a hooded sweater walking towards me, the shadow comes from a street lamp. There's blur and shake everywhere because of the (relatively) long handheld exposure.

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Old August 24th, 2011, 09:09 AM
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Old August 24th, 2011, 09:14 AM
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Old August 24th, 2011, 09:32 AM
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Hollywood Stucco
Distinctive!

James,

Your picture has the extra features of human activity and "repeats" which brings it to life and provide a pattern that holds attention. Well done. I'd encourage this approach!

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Old August 24th, 2011, 10:02 AM
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Mike and Mike, Ruben, James..

Wonderful, colorful, patterns, soft shadows..its all here..

Great stuff.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 09:38 AM
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Love Ruben's "Shadow" that's so awesome of a catch! Has a lot of mystery and depth!

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Old August 25th, 2011, 04:25 PM
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Thanks Charlotte, I thought using this photo to start a mystery challenge, then I remembered you, and it became clear that it would be an unfair challenge for myself and the rest of the forum LOL!
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Old November 12th, 2011, 12:28 AM
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Here the shadows are more of an addition to the dancer statue in the center, but I do like the result:




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Old November 12th, 2011, 06:16 AM
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Michael,

We are followed always by two advisers, advisers, one good and the other not!

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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:36 PM
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Asher,

Thanks, I did not think of this interpretation. I saw the two shadows as preceding and following position of the dancer.

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Old November 16th, 2011, 03:40 PM
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Michael,

Once you announced the obvious, there being two shadows, then came the question, well, what are these additional folk doing. So I thought of the ancient talmudic mythical idea that we all travel with two contrary advisors whispering in our ear. These are gentle folk. (There's no evil "devil-figure" in the one that urges material pleasures and acquisitions, just a self centered-inclination with no conscience).


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Asher,

Thanks, I did not think of this interpretation. I saw the two shadows as preceding and following position of the dancer.
One tempts us with bad choices the other always gives wise advice, but they both sound the same. However, to have this interpretation, one needs to be aware of the mythology going in to the picture! You made the association possible for me and it's so enjoyable.

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Old November 7th, 2012, 09:52 PM
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This is a favorite thread of mine, so it's time to reawaken it!







Asher Kelman: My Garden Wall #1







Asher Kelman: My Garden Wall #2



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Old November 7th, 2012, 11:03 PM
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Waking the shadows seems such a fictive thing to do.



_D302391 by tom.dinning, on Flickr



_D302167 by tom.dinning, on Flickr
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Old November 7th, 2012, 11:28 PM
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Waking the shadows seems such a fictive thing to do.

Michael Stone will be proud of you! You're quick and you did it!




_D302167 by tom.dinning, on Flickr


I wonder though if it's not factive instead. After all, you didn't alter anything. We just don't see the woman and, so simply imagine her.

This reminds me of Henri L. Bresson's street work, but it's far, far better! Actually this is an exceptional photograph; just superb! Those legs, BTW, are really so very delightful!

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Old November 8th, 2012, 03:30 AM
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I was thinking in terms of mysterious and fanciful , not fictional.
Thanks for your kind words Asher. Irrespective of the quality or appeal of my photographs I am very much at home with a camera in my hand these days, moreso than ever before. I'm never at a loss to find things that interest me, nor am I at any time ill at ease when viewing anyone else's photos. This is a good time in my life with photography. There is no pressure to appeal.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 07:42 AM
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I was thinking in terms of mysterious and fanciful , not fictional.
Thanks for your kind words Asher. Irrespective of the quality or appeal of my photographs I am very much at home with a camera in my hand these days, moreso than ever before. I'm never at a loss to find things that interest me, nor am I at any time ill at ease when viewing anyone else's photos. This is a good time in my life with photography. There is no pressure to appeal.
and it shows! This is one of the 1 in 1/10,000 pictures we'd all hope for! It happens so fast, that even with the finest skill in composing and capture, it's surely beyond any "musing", "interpretation" or "recollections". So this tells us something about the work; like "found art" in which we discover endless fascination once we pick it up on the beach.

The saying, "f8 and be there!" is the backbone for such images. One simply has to have a camera as an extension of one's being to react that fast! This is the strike of a hunter!

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Old November 8th, 2012, 01:09 PM
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There is no pressure to appeal.
That is good.

But, just as an intellectual exercise, if we suppose that you wanted to "appeal"... what would you do?
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Old November 8th, 2012, 01:45 PM
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A very simple one:


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Old November 8th, 2012, 01:47 PM
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IANAAR - I am not an artist, I only try to capture what I see.
Michael, isn't just capturing what one sees the essence of being an artist?
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Old November 8th, 2012, 01:48 PM
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That is good.

But, just as an intellectual exercise, if we suppose that you wanted to "appeal"... what would you do?
It might be too early in the morning for any intellectual exercise, Jerome. Nevertheless I'll give it a go.
(Brief time span elapses. Go to next scene)
****! Nothing happened. That either means I am incapable of said exercise or I have no ambition to appeal. I wonder if that's as a result of me spending a lifetime teaching others how to appeal that I forgot to learn how for my own self. Or do I indeed need to know how?
I'm not trying to be self righteous here or even antagonistic or smart arsed. You have indeed raised an interesting point. I am thinking that it probably does matter that my photos appeal to people but the list is short: me and a few close friends, and even the close friends don't really matter.
And appeal for what? Money, career, prestige, fame? Too old for that. My students? They get the old line: this is how it is done.
I find this all a bit disturbing, really. I'm locked away in my self made cave taking pictures and wondering why I do it if its not to appease the masses.
Jerome, you have given me a headache. I'm going back to bed.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 01:53 PM
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Michael, isn't just capturing what one sees the essence of being an artist?
Maybe, but for me artist is a title of appreciation, only to be awarded by others - nothing someone should attribute to himself.

I am still learning to see...
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Old November 8th, 2012, 06:03 PM
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Lovely photographs on the thread. The subject of Shadows is a personal favorite and so here are some of mine:


Title: Courting the Shadows


Title: A Bowl of Hope


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Old November 8th, 2012, 11:20 PM
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It might be too early in the morning for any intellectual exercise, Jerome. Nevertheless I'll give it a go.
(Brief time span elapses. Go to next scene)
****! Nothing happened. That either means I am incapable of said exercise or I have no ambition to appeal. I wonder if that's as a result of me spending a lifetime teaching others how to appeal that I forgot to learn how for my own self. Or do I indeed need to know how?
I'm not trying to be self righteous here or even antagonistic or smart arsed. You have indeed raised an interesting point. I am thinking that it probably does matter that my photos appeal to people but the list is short: me and a few close friends, and even the close friends don't really matter.
And appeal for what? Money, career, prestige, fame? Too old for that. My students? They get the old line: this is how it is done.
I find this all a bit disturbing, really. I'm locked away in my self made cave taking pictures and wondering why I do it if its not to appease the masses.
Jerome, you have given me a headache. I'm going back to bed.
Since we live on opposite sides of the planet, it is late in the evening for me when it is early in the morning for you and vice versa, so it is my turn to get a headache now.
You wrote that you taught your students how to appeal and you pretend that you could not do it yourself?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 02:47 AM
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Since we live on opposite sides of the planet, it is late in the evening for me when it is early in the morning for you and vice versa, so it is my turn to get a headache now.
You wrote that you taught your students how to appeal and you pretend that you could not do it yourself?
That's a statement, Jerome, not a question. I'm not pretending, I'm just not sure. I've not had the need to appeal for some time. As I say to the barber when she shows me the back of my head after a haircut: I don't have an image problem because I don't have an image. Those I wish to appeal to died years ago.

As for my students, I usually ask them what they want out of their photos. Generally the answers revolve around some sort of appeal to some individual or group. These include editors, publishers, tourists, art critics, shoppers, family and friends - and me, of course. In my experience, each appealee has a short list of requirements which are easily identified and can be used to increase the chances of a budding photographers ego being stroked and purse being fed. The purists among us might consider this a bit crass and unethical but when your income depends on it you need to find out what works pretty quick or starve in the process (or continue living with your parents).
My choice 50 years ago was to teach what I could to those who wanted to make a career from photography. Along the way I discovered there were some who had no intentions of earn a living in this way but to appeal to a different group; themselves. Strangely enough I found myself being drawn to these people and their purpose, aspirations and needs, so much so, I have since spent most of my career assisting them in their quest, along with my own. I would say that it's only been in the last 10 years or less that I have come to grips with why, not what, and that is the difference. It's not about what we do but why we do it. When that is clear, the process is also clear. But this is such a personal thing, identifying some magical formula that will achieve general appeal has never been possible. Occasionally it can be fluked, even with some consistency by a few. But the answer lies not with the image. The answer lies within the person. People who have this need to appeal to themselves alone must firstly find detachment. That ain't easy to achieve let alone maintain. Sometimes detachment can slip through our fingers like warm butter and we fall into the trap of relying on the appeal of others to maintain our own self respect. That's when it gets ugly.

There! That should give you a headache for the rest of the day.
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