Jerome Marot
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A walk in the woods.
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Jarmo Juntunen
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Oh yes, the woods is a tough place for some. Any idea who got whom?
Asher Kelman
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Jerome,
A fabulous observation and series. Here's an example of where it would be hard to signal the same tragic last struggle without use of color. Or do you think you might be able to do it by your assignments of tonality to give that same impression? Perhaps one would only understand the beginning by seeing the end?
Asher
Michael Nagel
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Well seen and well executed.
Did you consider printing these? What do you think of reversing the order in this case?
Best regards,
Michael
Did you consider printing these? What do you think of reversing the order in this case?
Best regards,
Michael
Jerome Marot
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After checking on another computer, it became obvious that I increased saturation a bit too much on the red. This is closer to how it looked like:
(I'll answer the questions in another post)
(I'll answer the questions in another post)
Jerome Marot
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Now that I have a bit more time, I can answer the questions asked.
Nobody was "got". This is a few drops of colouring and a piece of artificial fur.
I don't think the first two pictures would work without the red colour. The last one might, but my idea was to show the progression.
Yes, they will be printed. P.M. me if you are free on 18/2, 17h00.
I don't see what story would be told in the reverse order. What do you have in mind?
Nobody was "got". This is a few drops of colouring and a piece of artificial fur.
I don't think the first two pictures would work without the red colour. The last one might, but my idea was to show the progression.
Yes, they will be printed. P.M. me if you are free on 18/2, 17h00.
I don't see what story would be told in the reverse order. What do you have in mind?
Michael Nagel
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Think of the panorama posted by Asher here (the first three pictures). Now the view in the first picture of your series would be perceived as looking down in front of your feet, the second at a 45°-ish angle to the vertical or horizontal (your choice
) while the third is almost at horizontal level.If you enjoy breaking rules of presentation, you could even place the first on the floor, the second at a 45° angle and the last on the wall. It is playing with the expectation of the viewer.
I know this sounds strange, but sometimes I have strange ideas
Best regards,
Michael
Jerome Marot
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Now I understand what you mean. Indeed it will work if the printed pictures are presented vertically. They are presented vertically here by necessity, but I always imagined that they would be presented horizontally. I will consider your proposal, thank you.
Jerome Marot
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This is the setup seen up close:
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
This is the setup seen up close:
I did wonder about fake blood. You did a great job of having us put aside doubts and go along for the great story. Well done, Jerome!
Asher
Chris Calohan
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I get to be the bad guy...but blood doesn't splatter like that because its consistency is quite different from colored water...and, blood goes quite dark within a few minutes of hitting the air. O2 oxidation starts up pretty quickly unless in a controlled temperature environment such as an operating room and generally that blood has been thinned considerable so it would also respond as your colored water has. Add some glyscerine and a bit of blue dye to the red and watch how much it changes...and put it on a rag and shake it as if you were a fox and the fur was dinner.
Jerome Marot
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Thank you for the comments, but wouldn't the blood stay red longer in the snow because of the cold?. I got the idea of the blood colour from that picture, which is apparently a real dead dog in the snow:
Chris Calohan
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It does stay red longer but it also coagulates quicker, hence the thickness as shown on the dog's nose and on the snow and it is a bit darker...this is one of those ticky-tacky things which given the intent of the photo, doesn't mean squat and I did enjoy the intent.
I hate to see dogs hit by cars. Sad.
I hate to see dogs hit by cars. Sad.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
The red color on the dog's face is more intense because it's thick and was warm when exuded and so coagulated as designed and then darkened as it normally does. The thin smudges or drops on the snow are refrigerated and likely diluted instantly and so did not coagulate but instead carry the oxygen from the air and so the red is much brighter, as that's what oxygen does when taken up by the hemoglobin oxygen- carrying pigment.
I'm impressed how close the snow color is in your picture, Jerome!
Asher
Chris Calohan
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To clarify my knowledge of blood, I was a crime scene photographer many years ago and later an EMT. I've seen enough blood in enough forms to give a pretty good critique. Asher is dead on in his explanation. I suspect he has seen his fair share as well.
Jerome Marot
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I did not realise I was under scrutiny from blood and crime specialists. As for myself, I have only a passing knowledge on the matter. May I then ask what would the correct colour be for blood which would be spilled on snow? Bright red or more a brownish kind of colour?
Chris Calohan
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Pretty much as you see it on the dead puppy. I just found yours a bit too "bright" all over whereas there should have been some darker as well.
I sincerely apologise for making it such a big deal. It really was more of a tongue in cheek response but words don't always convey vocal inflections.
I would like to see you repeat this shot giving the blood a more realistic color. It is really a marvelous story concept.
I sincerely apologise for making it such a big deal. It really was more of a tongue in cheek response but words don't always convey vocal inflections.
I would like to see you repeat this shot giving the blood a more realistic color. It is really a marvelous story concept.
Jerome Marot
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It would be difficult to repeat the shot right now, because the snow is gone. But I can change the colour of the blood a bit in post.
Chris Calohan
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I'm not real keen on editing other people's work, but something along the lines of this:
Jerome Marot
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Thank you. I will indeed do this colour for the prints.