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Old July 12th, 2006, 07:43 AM
John Hollenberg John Hollenberg is offline
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I have become quite fond of working with Joseph Holmes Chrome Space Variants. Seems from the current implementation I would have to export as ProPhoto RGB, then do a conversion in Photoshop to Chrome Space to work with the variants. Not sure how much would be lost (if any) by doing the conversion in Photoshop, but just seems amazing that this wouldn't be allowed. Hopefully, this can be changed before final release.

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Old July 12th, 2006, 03:50 PM
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I have become quite fond of working with Joseph Holmes Chrome Space Variants. Seems from the current implementation I would have to export as ProPhoto RGB, then do a conversion in Photoshop to Chrome Space to work with the variants. Not sure how much would be lost (if any) by doing the conversion in Photoshop, but just seems amazing that this wouldn't be allowed. Hopefully, this can be changed before final release.

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Sources allegedly 'close to Adobe' have addressed this issue in the past when discussing ACR. Their responses ranged from stifling a yawn to outright contempt ('it's a chrome space - not relevant to DSLRs'). Don't hold your breath.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 03:59 PM
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It's not clear if anyone cares that a virtual monopoly supplier closed down a small competitor which had potential to become a real one. Is everyone bought off with a 'free public beta'?

Perhaps folk feel that resistance to the software giants is futile. Despite a lot of hot air and frantic scuffling, Microsoft seems to have rendered the US Government impotent. One last ray of hope; the European Union seems determined to pursue it's fight with Gates. Latest moves:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5171126.stm

Maybe other would-be monopolizers will flash on their radar some day.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 08:33 PM
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Sources allegedly 'close to Adobe' have addressed this issue in the past when discussing ACR. Their responses ranged from stifling a yawn to outright contempt ('it's a chrome space - not relevant to DSLRs')
Well, in general I would agree with their assessment. However, since the variants are only available for Chrome Space, and most of my images will fit inside Chrome Space without clipping (not all), this is often a good workflow for me. I will be having a look at LR with an open mind, but won't be surprised if I end up sticking with RSP until I switch from the Canon 5D.

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Old July 13th, 2006, 01:25 AM
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It's not clear if anyone cares that a virtual monopoly supplier closed down a small competitor which had potential to become a real one. Is everyone bought off with a 'free public beta'?
With all undue respect, that's [expletive of choice]. Neither Adobe nor MS are monopolies not even with a qualifier like 'virtual'. Both have lots of competition for every single application they offer. pixmantec have done a superb developing and marketing job over the first year of their existence but have note come close to being a serious contender to Adobe - there's lots of other projects much more interesting from a business point (C1?!).

It's also not a free public beta offered to registered owners of a licence to RSP but the final [download] product; considering the varying guesses what LR will cost (anything from $ 199 to over $ 500) this would be quite a dent if pixmantec was serious competition.

What the EU is doing with MS has nothing to do with breaking a monopoly but all with socialiste economy planning. They are fighting MS over the inclusion of Windows Media Player into their OS. Now, if they hadn't put it in everybody would be griping that Windows does not even offer videao playing capabilities - which Apple does.

Let's see, is MS hindering others to serve users with a video player? Is MS WMP the first and foremost video player? Quicktime (plus iTunes), Real Player, Flash [sic] ... Why isn't anybody suing Apple about their obvious closing off of competitors, not only for their comps and OS but also for the iPod?

Never was a fan of MS [and Adobe] bashers but lately they [the bashers] have become a real nuisance.
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Old July 13th, 2006, 02:23 AM
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Neither Adobe nor MS are monopolies not even with a qualifier like 'virtual'. Both have lots of competition for every single application they offer
Not wishing this thread to deteriorate into a into a "bashing" thread, nevertheless I'll offer my comments. Excluding open source options, MS has a virtual monopoly on OS and office applications and is now targeting imaging and web dev/middleware. This has killed off superior options in WP, SS, email clients, etc. I would not have a problem with this except that the dominance has been gained thru viscious and perhaps illegal tactics rather than providing a superior product. I for one am glad that Adobe is strengthening its position in imaging and webdev thru aquisitions like Macromedia/CF and Pixmantec so that it can provide a strong alternative to MS at least in these areas. Once MS dominants a market it tends to get neglected, like Internet Explorer and Outlook Express. If it weren't for the re-emergence of NS in the form of FF do you really thing that MS would be trying to get its act together with IE7?

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Old July 13th, 2006, 02:46 AM
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All true. I saw the Windows 3.1 vs OS2 war from the inside and it involved some pretty low blows. Hard to sympathize with either side, though. I don't think service to the customer was the goal of either party.

But taking, working on, and looking at pictures is a far more interesting subject. Back! Back!

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Old July 13th, 2006, 06:08 AM
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