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Old March 6th, 2012, 09:55 AM
Cem_Usakligil Cem_Usakligil is offline
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The eagerly awaited LR4 has been released this morning. I have downloaded it and started to play with it. The installation was very straightforward and it picks up the setting of the previous version installed. It also offers to backup and convert the old catalog to the new version. The IQ is slightly better compared to LR3.6 and the soft proofing is a much welcome addition. However, I also notice a speed decrease compared to 3.6. Early testers have been complaining about the sluggishness on other fora, so unfortunately I have to confirm it. Mind you, I have one of the fastest PCs money can buy so it really is not due to the limitations of my own system. Perhaps the culprit is the converted catalog from version 3.6. I shall create a new LR4 catalog from scratch to verify that this is/isn't the case. To be continued....
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Old March 6th, 2012, 10:19 AM
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The eagerly awaited LR4 has been released this morning. I have downloaded it and started to play with it. The installation was very straightforward and it picks up the setting of the previous version installed. It also offers to backup and convert the old catalog to the new version. The IQ is slightly better compared to LR3.6 and the soft proofing is a much welcome addition. However, I also notice a speed decrease compared to 3.6. Early testers have been complaining about the sluggishness on other fora, so unfortunately I have to confirm it. Mind you, I have one of the fastest PCs money can buy so it really is not due to the limitations of my own system. Perhaps the culprit is the converted catalog from version 3.6. I shall create a new LR4 catalog from scratch to verify that this is/isn't the case. To be continued....

Cem,

Could you test the speed so as to see by how much it's decreased. Aslo do you have Media Pro? I'd love to know how they compare for speed.

The other issue is local editing. Do you use just Lightroom tools, switch to Photoshop or else have Nik Viveza Plugins? I don't use Lightroom since lightroom Original because of decreased ability to do local editing. So I'd love to know how it fits in with your own workflow.

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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:59 PM
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Asher,

I started with Lightroom on the first release. With every new version I find I use Photoshop less. Today that use is generally restricted to operations that require overlays, masking, and occasional highly localized dodging/burning.

A lot depends on the nature of your approach to post processing, but LR plus Silver Efex now cover about 95% of my needs (which are mostly B&W). I do light to moderate local editing on almost every photo. Generally, I find LRs local editing tools superior to their counterparts in PS (V4). By design LR's editing tools are less agressive, and sometimes they are not aggressive enough.

I installed version 4 today and am looking forward to exploring its features. I could not imaging life withouth Lightroom.

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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:31 PM
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Asher,

I started with Lightroom on the first release. With every new version I find I use Photoshop less. Today that use is generally restricted to operations that require overlays, masking, and occasional highly localized dodging/burning.

A lot depends on the nature of your approach to post processing, but LR plus Silver Efex now cover about 95% of my needs (which are mostly B&W). I do light to moderate local editing on almost every photo. Generally, I find LRs local editing tools superior to their counterparts in PS (V4). By design LR's editing tools are less agressive, and sometimes they are not aggressive enough.

I installed version 4 today and am looking forward to exploring its features. I could not imaging life withouth Lightroom.

John
John,

Thanks for sharing your experience. Yes, that seems to work nicely with Nik tools. I'm not sure how good the Lightroom local edits are, but I'm impressed with the Viveza interface and control. I'll have to download a trial of Lightroom 4.

I hate keeping so many licenses up to date. It's like a taxation system!! Already I value Capture One but then PS is getting very costly to keep updated honestly. I feel they'd sell more and a lower price for upgrades and they are rather high priced but have a monopoly. I do depend on Photoshop for masking and layers. However, it could be that Lightroom is the key for projects where I can combine the fluidity of working with catalog and classification system like Expression and then an intuitive editing system as in Lightroom for works not requiring work in layers.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:01 PM
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Asher, maybe if you give an example of what you do with layers we could tell if it could be done in LR. I used to dodge/burn with layers in PS, but there's no need in LR because ALL edits are non-destructive.

I find LRs model for local edits to be similar but superior to Nik's control point approach.

One other nice feature is all the presets and plug-ins. I just created a new zenfolio site, and there is an LR plug-in for directly exporting to it. Same for Flickr and other popular sites. Pretty handy.

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Old March 9th, 2012, 01:18 PM
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Lightroom: LR4 doesn't display point curve adjustments made in LR3 .
This is happening for all photos, even those not updated to the new 2012 process.
Adobe has acknowledged problem.

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...ve_adjustments

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4248611#4248611

I am an amateur so think I will stay with LR 3 for awhile .
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Old March 10th, 2012, 07:14 AM
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This must apply to setting points on the curve. I use the tone curve sliders and they converted fine.

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Old March 19th, 2012, 05:45 PM
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Lightroom 4 Hot Issues

Point Tone Curve Migration
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In Lightroom 3, the Tone Curve panel added a “point curve” adjustment option in addition to the default parametric curve. When a customer upgrades their Lightroom 3 catalog to Lightroom 4, any images with point curve adjustments will lose those specific settings. This is a high severity bug and we are working hard to provide a solution as quickly as possible
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjour...ot-issues.html
From one of the comments on the forum link I posted ,sounds like LR 4 is slow as well .
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Old May 10th, 2012, 02:38 AM
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Read the interesting article on tonal adjustments and RAW processing in Lightroom 4 by Charles Cramer here in Luminous Landscape. This report clearly demonstrates how Adobe has progressively manage to advance rescue of both highlights and shadows independently. Also, Charles Cramer is due credit for an excellent article.

Highly recommended reading!

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Old May 14th, 2012, 04:52 PM
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Read the interesting article on tonal adjustments and RAW processing in Lightroom 4 by Charles Cramer here in Luminous Landscape. This report clearly demonstrates how Adobe has progressively manage to advance rescue of both highlights and shadows independently. Also, Charles Cramer is due credit for an excellent article.

Highly recommended reading!

Asher
Nice article and I am still waiting for the 4.1 "official release '' .
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Old May 14th, 2012, 05:34 PM
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Highly recommended reading!
Hi Asher,

I agree, for those who are upgrading, Charles clearly demonstrated that the traditional view on that "exposure equals post-capture digital amplification", has to be forgotten in the new Adobe PV2012. From now on (I presume), the different controls, well, control different regions of the histogram, which is quite a paradigm change.

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