ultimate radio flyer wagon race!

[Rian Flynn]

Hey friends.

THIS IS NOT DONE. I"M POSTING IT TO GET ADVICE AS I PROCESS IT. :) Anyway, what do you think? i still need to get rid of the blocks and work out some ruff edges int he comp. anything else? suggestions?

Rian

[Asher Kelman]

Wind in their pant legs, shirt and hair. You need a wind machine! Cool guy with the wine is a great idea.

Maybe he can be shielding it from a spash of mud as the front cart goes through a puddle. However as is, it great. Clever ideas those blocks!

Asher

[Michael Knapp]

Asher,

I think this is fine for a first poke. However the perspective and viewing angle are not right for me. I can not put my finger on it. I just know it is not rocking. I think it is as anything in our industry goes and that practice is the mother of all skills. So enjoy the process, as I am sure we will enjoy watching you learn.


Wind machines are easily made from a fan,


Michael-k

[Asher Kelman]

Originally Posted by Michael Knapp

Asher,

I think this is fine for a first poke.

Michael,

That should be addressed to Rian, LOL!


A Word On Perspective to Remind Those not Familiar With the Pitfalls:

Originally Posted by Michael Knapp

However the perspective and viewing angle are not right for me. I can not put my finger on it. I just know it is not rocking. I think it is as anything in our industry goes and that practice is the mother of all skills. So enjoy the process, as I am sure we will enjoy watching you learn.

Michael,

It could well be a problem with shifted perspective or else simply the lack of movement in the clothes and hair to match the speed that is portrayed by the actors.

Actually, for those not in the "Know", Ryan is somewhat of a celebrity and accomplished in his artistic endeavor. Still, even the most experienced montage artists miss some pitfalls in perspective errors which can be so readily avoided.

Rian,

You are sporting to participate at this level and allow us to share with you ideas while you are building your picture from your mind's eye. Since perspective has been questioned, let's review the subject a little. So here's a reminder for all of us!

Perspective is so easy! The human mind can reconstruct realtionships between objects based on subtle size changes and distortions that the brain then computes into what is perceived as a real scene. When we look at a a scene, all objects in the distance are smaller and objects any nearer have the sides decreasing in height in a manner where all lines meet at tthe center of ones visual field. So how do we reproduce these subtle nuances of shape and size when combining many unrelated shots to appear as if they are genuine components from one real scene?

Simply park the camera in one place then just zoom in to whatever you want move the angle of the lens on the tripod, but not the postion of the front of the lens. That must be fixed and then all the perspective will be correct. We cannot shift objects then from their relative position. Of course, they both can be shafted so as not to change that relationship. All photographs must maintain their angles with respect to the taking position and the final composition. We can't photograph something directly in front of the camera and then move it to the right. The perspective will change! That image must be photographed in the postion we want in the final delivered tableau.

Asher

Of course, if you want someone on a high ledge, you need to replicate that elevation and your distance from it using some other clever method like a higher level in a starcase and then remove the railings. The idea is to try to set it up as in the composition and then reproduce dangerous/impossible positions by finding an equivalent shooting and object position, doing it on a scaled model or building a set.

[Rian Flynn]

New version!

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Originally Posted by Rian Flynn

New version!

Works okay, lot's of fun, although one would expect to see some more motion blur from subject flying though the air. My only real concern is with the lighting of the models, it doesn't seem to match the lighting direction of the background, and the angle of the clouds does't look natural. You used some sort of pincer lighting setup, whereas the background is sunlit (no clouds, harsh shadows, no fill) from the top left.

Anyway, it's a fun filled composition.

Bart

[Asher Kelman]

Originally Posted by Rian Flynn

New version!

Rian,

It's much better with the guy from the left moved. I do have a question about the movement sense. It's got a sense of rotation clockwise. However the guy with the wine does not obey this. It disrupts. Better perhaps that he is protecting his wine from the spill. He still can be the center of interest but then he's skillful in protecting his drink!

Asher

[Frank Doorhof]

Hi,
It's getting better but I would like to see some more motion going backwards (so it seems the people are moving forwards), in the first shot you have the motion but going the wrong way.

I like the flying guy better in the third and second.

Maybe playing a bit with color/styling and you're having a wonderful shot.

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Asher,

Originally Posted by Asher Kelman

Actually, for those not in the "Know", Ryan is somewhat of a celebrity and accomplished in his artistic endeavor.

Rian. (Evidently not that well known.)

Well, that helps a lot. I just though he was a colleague who took a picture for our consideration.

Best regards,

Doug

[Asher Kelman]

Originally Posted by Doug_Kerr

Rian.

Thanks, It's good to have an extra spell checker! All corrected. :)