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Rachel
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Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Hi Nicolas,
Rachel is an outstanding lady. She has perfect eyes and a wonderful shaped face. As usual you light and pose her well and she is both attractive an also not brassy but rather tentative and vulnerable. She does not have the in your face attitude that has been so fashion. All three pictures are wonderful (without deep discussion of what you might do better because this is just the initial shoot. I'll touch on just a few, but this does not detract form my positive impression: shirt not crisply ironed well and her hair is not either casually combed or professionally done. Maybr it's the cut and hair treatment. Maybe what I'm seeing is just an extension that has a different color, or perhaps my judgement is way off.
I do have questions about the skin texture as it seems that the edits are made sequentially and this seems to impact overall smoothness, or maybe it's just her skin?
Alternative skin processing methodology comes up from time to time.
© 2007 Mike Lowe ThinkCamera.com, used for editorial comment under "fair use" doctrine
I found this skin processing treatment on the thinkcamera website. I don't like the eyes being so "glass-perfect"! It's a good intermediate step, but I'd back this off somewhat. I really advocate blending back with the original about 5% but anyway, that's just my taste. Just like $2000 1D MartkIII cameras on some websites, if it's too good to be true we should take pause. Even in vogue, the eyes don't look like blobs of perfect glass! Tht one gets from Saks Fifth Avenue or Tiffany's!
You might find this skin treatment methodology interesting. Anyway, I'd love it if you actually could have the time to test it for us on this picture to see how it works and if it is effective for darker complexions too. It's one thing to promote a methodology, it's another to apply it to one's own picture.
You can find the entire article "Skin Retouching: Masterclass: How to (part 1)" here ! Your opinion would be valuable!
Thanks for sharing your work on this lovely model. Hope we'll see more!
Asher
Rachel is an outstanding lady. She has perfect eyes and a wonderful shaped face. As usual you light and pose her well and she is both attractive an also not brassy but rather tentative and vulnerable. She does not have the in your face attitude that has been so fashion. All three pictures are wonderful (without deep discussion of what you might do better because this is just the initial shoot. I'll touch on just a few, but this does not detract form my positive impression: shirt not crisply ironed well and her hair is not either casually combed or professionally done. Maybr it's the cut and hair treatment. Maybe what I'm seeing is just an extension that has a different color, or perhaps my judgement is way off.
I do have questions about the skin texture as it seems that the edits are made sequentially and this seems to impact overall smoothness, or maybe it's just her skin?
Alternative skin processing methodology comes up from time to time.
© 2007 Mike Lowe ThinkCamera.com, used for editorial comment under "fair use" doctrine
I found this skin processing treatment on the thinkcamera website. I don't like the eyes being so "glass-perfect"! It's a good intermediate step, but I'd back this off somewhat. I really advocate blending back with the original about 5% but anyway, that's just my taste. Just like $2000 1D MartkIII cameras on some websites, if it's too good to be true we should take pause. Even in vogue, the eyes don't look like blobs of perfect glass! Tht one gets from Saks Fifth Avenue or Tiffany's!
You might find this skin treatment methodology interesting. Anyway, I'd love it if you actually could have the time to test it for us on this picture to see how it works and if it is effective for darker complexions too. It's one thing to promote a methodology, it's another to apply it to one's own picture.
You can find the entire article "Skin Retouching: Masterclass: How to (part 1)" here ! Your opinion would be valuable!
Thanks for sharing your work on this lovely model. Hope we'll see more!
Asher
Bart_van_der_Wolf
pro member
Hi Nicolas,
Overall I like the rather natural looking poses, almost like they were not staged. The model is either very good or very inexperienced, she looks very natural, non-posed. I also like, but that's something personal, similar tone (ton-sur-ton) images.
I'm not a big fan of the lighting in the second image, main light on the side of the face that's facing the camera tends to hide facial bone structure. The other two images are much better in that regard. I don't mind bending the 'rules' with regards to classical lighting setups, but there must be a higher purpose in doing it.
Frankly, I think you overdid the softening of the skin structure. When you lower the opacity of that skin layer by at least 50% of its current setting, it'll make the skin look much more realistic.
Bart
Bonsoir Asher,
Thank you for the link. I will try this tomorrow.
meanwhile i just want to show the original file:
As i reduced size to max 900 pixel, some softening has already happened. Also the flat angeled lighting enhances every so small bump
One of the first picures shows her hair when she came in:
It was Rachel's first session ever, so we just got used to each other.
The start is already impressive as she likes playing with the camera and still stays natural.
We will work together for some more sessions.
For her next session, she will work on her Make-up, her hair, and she will bring more appropriate clothes.
Yes i am not too happy about the skin processing myself and so i will happily try the masterclass...
Nicolas
Thank you for the link. I will try this tomorrow.
meanwhile i just want to show the original file:
As i reduced size to max 900 pixel, some softening has already happened. Also the flat angeled lighting enhances every so small bump
One of the first picures shows her hair when she came in:
It was Rachel's first session ever, so we just got used to each other.
The start is already impressive as she likes playing with the camera and still stays natural.
We will work together for some more sessions.
For her next session, she will work on her Make-up, her hair, and she will bring more appropriate clothes.
Yes i am not too happy about the skin processing myself and so i will happily try the masterclass...
Nicolas
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Thanks for posting the originals! I like her very much. We do no want to lose that look.
Glad you allow free return of impressions and ideas.
The forehead and cheek areas require dealing with different blemishes, but it requires little beyond time and feathered brushes.
It's easier with skin pores here than tiny pustules. It'd tough and mean to say to a young lady that she needs to go to a skin specialist or a beautician for a scrub treatment for her forehead. Makeup can more essily deal with the open pores. All this things are best done under the advice of a very experienced makeup artist.
Sjhe has a lovely face and feeling about her that I'd personally concentrate on getting well lit images for a portfolio and don't go overboard with the skin unless you are driven to that because her photographs just demand more from you and are really worth it.
I find both these pictures fine as they are!
Asher
Glad you allow free return of impressions and ideas.
The forehead and cheek areas require dealing with different blemishes, but it requires little beyond time and feathered brushes.
It's easier with skin pores here than tiny pustules. It'd tough and mean to say to a young lady that she needs to go to a skin specialist or a beautician for a scrub treatment for her forehead. Makeup can more essily deal with the open pores. All this things are best done under the advice of a very experienced makeup artist.
Sjhe has a lovely face and feeling about her that I'd personally concentrate on getting well lit images for a portfolio and don't go overboard with the skin unless you are driven to that because her photographs just demand more from you and are really worth it.
I find both these pictures fine as they are!
Asher
kombizz kashani
New member
For sure the PS software does a GREAT role in the beautification of models.
v. good soft lighting
and in this case I like the ps post processing images.
thank you for showing us the REAL natural models b4 processing by GRAT PS software.
p.s.- By the way what software did you use, if by any chance you didn't use PS?
v. good soft lighting
and in this case I like the ps post processing images.
thank you for showing us the REAL natural models b4 processing by GRAT PS software.
p.s.- By the way what software did you use, if by any chance you didn't use PS?
kombizz kashani
New member
Hi Asher
May I ask you what software did you use for skin processing methodology?
Thanks
May I ask you what software did you use for skin processing methodology?
Thanks
Hi Nicolas,
Rachel is an outstanding lady. She has perfect eyes and a wonderful shaped face. As usual you light and pose her well and she is both attractive an also not brassy but rather tentative and vulnerable. She does not have the in your face attitude that has been so fashion. All three pictures are wonderful (without deep discussion of what you might do better because this is just the initial shoot. I'll touch on just a few, but this does not detract form my positive impression: shirt not crisply ironed well and her hair is not either casually combed or professionally done. Maybr it's the cut and hair treatment. Maybe what I'm seeing is just an extension that has a different color, or perhaps my judgement is way off.
I do have questions about the skin texture as it seems that the edits are made sequentially and this seems to impact overall smoothness, or maybe it's just her skin?
Alternative skin processing methodology comes up from time to time.
© 2007 Mike Lowe ThinkCamera.com, used for editorial comment under "fair use" doctrine
I found this skin processing treatment on the thinkcamera website. I don't like the eyes being so "glass-perfect"! It's a good intermediate step, but I'd back this off somewhat. I really advocate blending back with the original about 5% but anyway, that's just my taste. Just like $2000 1D MartkIII cameras on some websites, if it's too good to be true we should take pause. Even in vogue, the eyes don't look like blobs of perfect glass! Tht one gets from Saks Fifth Avenue or Tiffany's!
You might find this skin treatment methodology interesting. Anyway, I'd love it if you actually could have the time to test it for us on this picture to see how it works and if it is effective for darker complexions too. It's one thing to promote a methodology, it's another to apply it to one's own picture.
You can find the entire article "Skin Retouching: Masterclass: How to (part 1)" here ! Your opinion would be valuable!
Thanks for sharing your work on this lovely model. Hope we'll see more!
Asher
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Hi Kombizz,
Sorry I didn't immediately notice your question. One way is to see in the above post and you'll find the link, "here" in orange!!
Asher
Sorry I didn't immediately notice your question. One way is to see in the above post and you'll find the link, "here" in orange!!
Asher
kombizz kashani
New member
I am not sure which orange you meant. I tried the one under your name. It took me to one of your articles about "THE HARD SIDE OF BEAUTY", with a small B&W photo of a man holding a camera in the center of the page. Is it this page you meant?
I did not find the name of software?
Would you please kindly write the name of software.
Also who is Keith Kiiroja?
I did not find the name of software?
Would you please kindly write the name of software.
Also who is Keith Kiiroja?
Hi Kombizz,
Sorry I didn't immediately notice your question. One way is to see in the above post and you'll find the link, "here" in orange!!
Asher
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
You can find the entire article "Skin Retouching: Masterclass: How to (part 1)" here !
part 2
Continuation
artificial foundation
shadow highlights
Up to here it took me about 3 hours ...
'standard treatment'
I do like the final result, but it takes much time.
full size before image
full size after image
Nicolas
Continuation
artificial foundation
shadow highlights
Up to here it took me about 3 hours ...
'standard treatment'
I do like the final result, but it takes much time.
full size before image
full size after image
Nicolas