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Rachel Foster
August 2nd, 2009, 11:35 AM
I was going through some old files and found this image from about two years ago when I first became interested in photography. It's a good example of how one sometimes needs distance from an image to appreciate it.

ISO 400, 1/800, f/11.0.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x153/annieblues/opf/Elianabubbles.jpg


It feels like my most creative work came from that period when I was first starting out. I think I've gotten too focused on the technical aspect and I'm strangling my creativity.

Asher Kelman
August 2nd, 2009, 12:54 PM
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x153/annieblues/opf/Elianabubbles.jpg


It feels like my most creative work came from that period when I was first starting out. I think I've gotten too focused on the technical aspect and I'm strangling my creativity.
Hi Rachel,

Time passes and so here comes nostalgia creeping up on us. I have the same thing when I look at paintings done years ago.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be; a pity!

Asher

Rachel Foster
August 2nd, 2009, 01:14 PM
That it does. Nostalgia can be a wonderful thing, can't it?

Nicolas Claris
August 2nd, 2009, 02:42 PM
tss tss

Enhance technique will help you to achieve what your creativity thinks…

Rachel Foster
August 2nd, 2009, 02:46 PM
Yes, Nicolas, I certainly hope so! But I've gone too far overboard and need to ease up a bit and let the creativity resurface.

Cody White
August 23rd, 2009, 12:48 AM
dang, ya'll talking about photographery like it's rocket science.

I take photographs for the fun and love of it. If and when I start breaking out the old slide rule to make a simple calculation is the day I retire my gear.

Sweet photo.

Rachel Foster
August 23rd, 2009, 12:38 PM
Thanks, Cody. It makes me want to try more bubble shots.

Asher Kelman
August 23rd, 2009, 01:15 PM
dang, ya'll talking about photographery like it's rocket science.

I take photographs for the fun and love of it. If and when I start breaking out the old slide rule to make a simple calculation is the day I retire my gear.

Sweet photo.

Cody,

How would you then take a photograph of a valley partially shadowed by clouds or a large cliff using a film camera. You could bracket with a digital camera but for one single exposure attention to the range of light and considerations of bellows reach in a large format camera and perhaps reciprocity of film for long exposures would require some access to technical matters.

Photography is less and less "Rocket Science" as the details of adjustments are removed from out brains to the mathematics embedded in the digital cameras we use.

It's still nice to be able to think a picture out using the basic principles on which the algorithms are built. When we can do that by glancing at the sky and landscape and know we can get the picture, that's great. Still, don't knock the slide rule that got us here!

Asher

Mike Shimwell
August 23rd, 2009, 02:39 PM
I think we are talking about two different areas here.

As Nicolas says, more technical understanding can help us realise our vision or realise our creativity. The problem can be that whilst we are acquiring that understanding we lose the freedom to experiment or play. Also, as we become focused on addressing whatever technical challenge we face at the time (sharpness, no blown highlights...), and then judge all our (and others?) work on that aspect.

Hopefully once we have mastered the technical, so it's no longer even considered other than as a tool, we start to create again, whether through play, experiement or intent or even a combination of all. Some of my current work, which I will share in due course, depends on a combination of intent, experiment and uncertainty. There is a clear technical element to what I am doing (on film, so no way to judge in the field) but equally no certainty as to outcome until later.

Cody, your pure play is fine, and dslrs will help you (indeed, many old hands struggle withthe idea that much of the 'craft' is dealt with by the camera allowing neophytes to make great work), but the more intent enters your creative process, or you try film etc, the more likely you are to need to achieve some level of technical understanding or mastery.

Mike

Edited to say - I like the bubbles by the way. Mike

Rachel Foster
August 23rd, 2009, 02:47 PM
Yup, I totally get what Mike is saying, and I agree.

Bart_van_der_Wolf
August 24th, 2009, 02:16 AM
dang, ya'll talking about photographery like it's rocket science.

Rocket science is easy, once you master the technical skills ;-)
Until then, it's going to be hit and miss, and progress will be slow ...

I think we are talking about two different areas here.

As Nicolas says, more technical understanding can help us realise our vision or realise our creativity. The problem can be that whilst we are acquiring that understanding we lose the freedom to experiment or play. Also, as we become focused on addressing whatever technical challenge we face at the time (sharpness, no blown highlights...), and then judge all our (and others?) work on that aspect.

Hopefully once we have mastered the technical, so it's no longer even considered other than as a tool, we start to create again, whether through play, experiement or intent or even a combination of all. Some of my current work, which I will share in due course, depends on a combination of intent, experiment and uncertainty. There is a clear technical element to what I am doing (on film, so no way to judge in the field) but equally no certainty as to outcome until later.

Cody, your pure play is fine, and dslrs will help you (indeed, many old hands struggle withthe idea that much of the 'craft' is dealt with by the camera allowing neophytes to make great work), but the more intent enters your creative process, or you try film etc, the more likely you are to need to achieve some level of technical understanding or mastery.

I totally agree. The technique is only required to conquer that what is hindering us from reaching our objectives, our creative intent.

Bart

Abhijit Biswas
September 10th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Just after the shoot when the memory is vivid I have one perspective and I might like some images. I come back to the same images after 6 months or so I tend to like some other images which I did not like at all just after the shoot. I think you are right sometimes we need to distance oursleves from the images/memory to appreciate them.

BTW, I like the playful moment and the emotion you captured here.


Abhijit Biswas
http://www.exposurebits.com



I was going through some old files and found this image from about two years ago when I first became interested in photography. It's a good example of how one sometimes needs distance from an image to appreciate it.

ISO 400, 1/800, f/11.0.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x153/annieblues/opf/Elianabubbles.jpg


It feels like my most creative work came from that period when I was first starting out. I think I've gotten too focused on the technical aspect and I'm strangling my creativity.

Edward Bussa
September 10th, 2009, 02:05 PM
Asher, I'm sure this has been "discussed elsewhere", or maybe it hasn't. But, I'm curious, is that old saying of yours "Nostalgia isn't what it used to be" one of YOUR originals?