News: The travesty continues ...

Doug Kerr said:

Not so - subsection (2) is not dependent on the predicate of subsection (1).

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Correct, a picture of a farm will be enough, if it makes it to becoming state law. And in the Iowa case, posession will be enough for a misdemeanor. Another reason not to consent to inspection of the images on one's memory card. Without consent it quickly becomes illegally obtained evidence.

Cheers,
Bart

Bart_van_der_Wolf said:

Correct, a picture of a farm will be enough, if it makes it to becoming state law. And in the Iowa case, posession will be enough for a misdemeanor. Another reason not to consent to inspection of the images on one's memory card. Without consent it quickly becomes illegally obtained evidence.

Cheers,
Bart

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Bart,

That's a great idea!

I was thinking about holding back the card and then remembered the utility of wifi transmission. One could shoot to a laptop in one's bag.

These days, in the USA, "Homeland Security" has acquired itself the powers to search one's computer as one goes through airport security. Can they go though cards too?

The Libyans just take the cards or your camera too!

Asher

Asher Kelman said:

Bart,

That's a great idea!

I was thinking about holding back the card and then remembered the utility of wifi transmission. One could shoot to a laptop in one's bag.

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I would only go through the trouble if there is a chance of losing one's files once the card would be confiscated. It can only be taken legally if one is arrested, or there is a probable cause that one has done something illegal (but that usually requires a search warrant of some sort to stick because the legality has yet to be established).

I still find the 2 following links/videos very useful to become mentally prepared for a disorienting confrontation, and train awareness of the rules how not to give up your rights without reason:
http://www.youtube.com/user/FlexYourRights#p/c/276D51830A308ED2/0/nyokKFIecIo
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

These days, in the USA, "Homeland Security" has acquired itself the powers to search one's computer as one goes through airport security. Can they go though cards too?

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Entering an airport or crossing a border is equal to implicit consent to searches. Homeland security can make a copy of the data on the devices. What's worse, there is no way of knowing what happens to the data taken from the drives/cards. They could be misfiled and connected to something that is totally unrelated. No way to check, or is there?

Cheers,
Bart

What about pictures from the air. After all, satellites take pictures of farms all the time and we can access them That would make it a Felony to collect pictures of Iowa satellite pictures, LOL! So storing google pictures of Iowa farming would be one such example!

Asher

Asher Kelman said:

What about pictures from the air. After all, satellites take pictures of farms all the time and we can access them That would make it a Felony to collect pictures of Iowa satellite pictures, LOL! So storing google pictures of Iowa farming would be one such example!

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Well, after amending the bill (they have stricken the pictures of a farm part, and changed it from a felony to a misdemeanor to take images on a farm without permission) , it is now (Mar 24, 2011) on its way to Criminal Justice Dept. for approval, to be in effect July 2011. One would think that there already are laws agains trespassing ... The remaining question is; what are they trying to hide for our lenses, and how much money does it take to buy such legislation?

So, don't sell your Google stock just yet. The public outcry apparently did influence some people.

Cheers,
Bart

It's obvious to me that the Animal Liberation Movement , Farm Sanctuary and other animal protection folk are at the gunsights of the farmers. They film slaughter houses, paddocks of muck and stench where animals await slaughter in earshot of the sounds of it all. They collect evidence used in court to uphold laws against animal cruelty. The industrialization of meat production, like energy harvesting means that there will be attempts at hiding shortcuts that are, at the least, embarrassing if not downright illegal!

Still, it might be that the evidence could be admissible whilst the animal rights person is still fined for getting it!

There's a great discussion here in Photo District News .

Mickey H. Osterreicher, general counsel for the National Press Photographers Association, says he has written to the agricultural committee of the Iowa legislature to inform members that the a bill barring the possession and distribution of unauthorized photos "would be unconstitutional.The only type of photographs that are illegal to possess and distribute in the US, he notes, are images of child pornography."​

Asher