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Old December 18th, 2013, 01:23 PM
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this and I think it is terrible for all.

I am afraid this has not in fact, a direct connection with photography...

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Old December 18th, 2013, 03:21 PM
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this and I think it is terrible for all.

I am afraid this has not in fact, a direct connection with photography...

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Antonio,

The chances of dying a violent death in the USA is about 10 percent. They are so many parameters in our lives that we can control: do we drive after drinking, do we make sure that everyone has a safey belt, do you give your kids peanut butter and celery, (the former, especially from health food stores, where no fungicide is used, has high levels of aflatoxin, at least any peanuts grown on this planet) while celery is like nitrogen mustard, a good agent for cross linking DNA and causing mutations too.

People accept rides from strangers, go skiing, climb mountains, all fun and controlled by the will of the person taking the risk. what's really upsetting about the Japanese electric company and we must say the Japanese Government now to and so all of Japan, is that they are pissing into everyone else's swimming pool and we have no say in the matter.

The Turner news report is written without clear risk assessments. So they talk about cumulative effects of radiation. Well that's true, but a lot of radiation damage is repaired. Of all the punishments we get by living on this wonderful blue marble, hurtling through cosmic space, is exposure to radiation from so many natural sources. It's even in common elements like potassium and so if you go to a movie theater and sit in the center surrounded by closely packed bodies, you are being radiated by everyone around you. All iron, except pre nuclear test veteran ships and the like, are radioactive. The good thing is that we can repair much radiation damage. All day long, enzymes cut out mismatched or damaged bases in DNA, get the correct complementary purine or pyrimidine base pairs and then zip it up like news. Errors may be made, for sure, but a lot of it will not be in any sequences that make any difference to our function. But, over time, as with eating celery, smoking or living in a city with traffic, we do accumulate debt in out chromosomes. Cross linked DNa might not get repaired right. Some epigenetic changes might occur with alteration in expressions of genes we need to function properly and maintain our milieu interior.

We have a pretty good idea of the hazards and risks of radiation from particles and radiation from waves of electromagnetic radiation with all ranges of energetic rays . What one needs to know is the type of hazard and the risk of exposure. What are we actually are going to get, by what route and in what time frame and to what part of the body. This article does not, as far as I could notice in quick perusal, deal with these practical elements. If we knew, then the risk could be calculated in no time at all. I have no doubt that there are already piles of accurate assessments made by so many agencies and academic institutions. These are what we need, not the a report which is superficial and designed to frighten us.

While the nuclear energy authorities, cronies of the power company, should be shot, (if we hadn't already gotten past such punishments) but at the very least, they should be open to inspection and verification just as if they were the Syrian regime making nerve gases for warfare against civilians! We need Japan to have to declare how they are going to stop the leaks and how they will make things safe.

Still, I'm not worried about danger to us from this disaster, rather it's like abortion, a horrible consequence of poor planning and social policies, but part of the modern world. We may not like it, but it wont destroy our society.

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Old December 18th, 2013, 03:32 PM
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I'm more concerned about spending another day with my grand kids. Their effect seems to be cumulative. And it just keeps coming.
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Old December 18th, 2013, 03:42 PM
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I'm more concerned about spending another day with my grand kids. Their effect seems to be cumulative. And it just keeps coming.
You lie, my Darwinian friend! You just sit there by your computer and conjure up nonsense. Your grandchildren are the major part of your life support system that keeps you from depression and just walking out, beyond the nudists on the Northern Coast there and letting the water cover you and take you to a waiting mermaid. Imagine if the kids went on strike and did not turn up! One day you'd feel that the length of the day had tripled; the next day, you'd realize that food does not evaporate from the refrigerator and by the 8th day you'll be calling them up to see if they want to get some roast chestnuts, go fro a walk or just hang out for Christine to get a barbecue going.

No one is pacing up and down, that you didn't come to work today or planning to sue you or bust your truck window. You don't even go the the prestigious, albeit, hardly popular art show for advanced intimate knitting in your own town! So what actually keeps you going? Well it's the magic of the family and friends and don't forget it!

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Old December 18th, 2013, 04:19 PM
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You don't need to lecture me. Allan is sitting at my feet as I type, listening to his sister learn the times tables. We will then read Tom Gates, have some morning tea, go for a swim, lunch, a trip to the museum this afternoon and return them to their parents knowing we will do it all again tomorrow.
Nothing is better in life, nothing sweeter, nothing as lasting.
But I still ache. Trouble is I think I'm a child when they are here.
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Old December 18th, 2013, 05:00 PM
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You certainly are nice relaxed people.
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You certainly are nice relaxed people.
We have to be or else we'd have our anterior descending arteries spasm from horror at your story and we'd be all dead! I'd love to line up those guys in Japan responsible for this mess and personally shoot them. Trouble is I have not the gun, an air ticket nor the constitution for that work. We are somewhat helpless but all is not bad. I assure you that the relevant agencies are busy taking samples from the air, sea ,fish and people to determine danger to us. Slowly, the tide will turn against them!

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Yes, the tide will turn against them - it has already in fact - or perhaps you mean against all of us because nuclear power is everywhere and accidents do happen you know ?!... even when you are supposed to be best in the market.

And let's not remember for the sake of our mind and pretended tranquility, the military experiences all over the World and those made we don't even know anything about or are hidden because they turn to be disasters !

In Portuguese we say something like: Like's look the other way and whistle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8CZAKSsNA
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In Portuguese we say something like: Like's look the other way and whistle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8CZAKSsNA
Can you get a new translation of that saying?
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I was wrong when I wrote that. It's better now.

"Look the other way and whistle" or

"Pretend it's nothing" or

"Look into another direction"
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I read more about this. Much more. Terrifying !!!!!
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Old December 19th, 2013, 11:16 AM
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Antonio,

There's no reason why the world can't have nuclear energy, but not on the cheap, like selling plastic toys from China for Christmas where the only criteria is the sales and the profit margin for everyone in the supply chain.

We must have no reactors that can't shut down safely on their own in case of a tsunami, earthquake or bomb. I have no doubt we could design such things, but then we need to do that first and train an new specialist, like a doctor or nautical engineer, an entirely new discipline of radiation and environmental engineering that would provide a frame work for such new reactors.

Otherwise we need to close them all!

As it is, the existing installations depend on a supply of electricity and active pumps to have safe shut down or are exposed to aerial attack or on or near fault lines in the earths crust. Reactors have to shut down using simple gravity. No controls working, the device shuts down safely into graphite and lead or spent fuel or the like not just water. Also that system should have several levels of mechanical back up itself.

The highly complicated systems that rely on computers and human intervention for safety, are fine for B1 bombers. If they malfunction, so one loses a billion dollar aircraft and at the worst a few casualties. Horrible but limited. With this reactors, designed like we have right now, the hazards are too great to tolerate.

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Old December 19th, 2013, 01:58 PM
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Thank you for your kind lines Asher.
I am very very hard to convince on this particular matter.
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Googling about my concerns about nuclear issues I found this interesting work from a Japanese Photographer.

"Nakamura had cut himself on the thigh thinking that the pain would help him forget the agony and misery of his life."
Photo by Kikujiro Fukushima
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