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Old August 11th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Asher Kelman Asher Kelman is online now
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Default Challenge: "Girls Choosing Leaves for Magic"

Can you increase the "magic" in this resized as shot AR non-corrected snapshot "Girls Choosing Leaves for Magic"?

I don't mean special effects, just make it special for them. Any tools; just say how!



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Old August 11th, 2006, 08:46 PM
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To kick it off, here's a B&W version using Channels and sharpened. New layer added with texture to get shadows especially on the girls shirt on the right and to draw eye in.



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Old August 12th, 2006, 02:08 AM
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My solution cannot be done afterwards:

I'd put a flash on the camera, set the camera to shutter priority, define an appropriately long shutter speed (say, 1/15th), put the flash on balanced TTL.

The result would be a photo showing an aura around people and moving things.

Curiously I just find that the ones I did a few years ago (still on film with an F100) haven't been digitised by me before I sent the originals to the client. The Magical Kingdom Surrounding Our Wolrd approach was very fitting since the event in question was a midsummer feast with real witches (they claimed to be witches).
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Old August 12th, 2006, 02:29 AM
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I must try that! Will need more witches!

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Old August 12th, 2006, 07:03 AM
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Velvia vision to boost colour.
Power Retouche soft filter
Gradient layer mask
Blurred background.
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Old August 12th, 2006, 11:09 AM
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Andreas,

Your versions brings magic! The blurred b.g. adds depth. You haven't significently sharpened the ponytail of the girl on the right and with the leaf so defined, you have succeeded.

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Old August 12th, 2006, 01:33 PM
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Anyone want to tackle the blown out arm and shirt too? My solution was the added shadow pattern of a tree.

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Old August 12th, 2006, 01:53 PM
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Thank you Asher, glad you liked it :)
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Old August 12th, 2006, 03:28 PM
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Can you increase the "magic" in this resized as shot AR non-corrected snapshot "Girls Choosing Leaves for Magic"?
It's just an idea that I can't quite get to work.

What's the most important thing - the leaf.
What's the most beautiful part of the image - the hair of the girl on the left.

Use Light Machine to put a small glow spot on the leaf, and a larger oval one on the hair.
Darken and desaturate the background.
Make the hair colour richer.
Sharpen with focal blade (probably not necessary)

I can't find a sensible way to get rid of the horrible blown highlights on the girl's upper arm.


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Old August 12th, 2006, 08:59 PM
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Hi Stuart,

Thanks for the trojan effort! Having the leaf remaining green might work.

The color of th left arm is not robust enough for your manouver there. Sorry, my fault!

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Old August 13th, 2006, 02:19 AM
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Thanks for the trojan effort! Having the leaf remaining green might work.
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Oh dear! I must have been processing under the influence last night :-)

Perhaps the idea is fundementally flawed. Here's another less extreme example along the same lines, with the background blurred a bit.


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Old August 13th, 2006, 06:32 AM
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Well here is my try, Not a photoshop buff, infact I just happen to have the CS2 trial on my PC at the moment and thought I would give this a go.

bit of a crude job, but hey, I don't want to spend all night on ot ;-)

Blur Background
Crop
Clone head out
dodge white shirt a little
Warmify x 2


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Old August 13th, 2006, 11:29 AM
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Stuart,

Good, you protected the flaw in the file!

Daniel, That crop adds intimacy.

Maybe without the added little girl, decreases the sense of the great interest of a bunch girls in their own world.

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Old August 13th, 2006, 12:56 PM
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My take on this.....

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Old August 13th, 2006, 02:33 PM
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Harvey,

I like the square format! You kept the 3rd girl and brought even more shade.

I'm appreciating the different expressions.

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Old August 13th, 2006, 03:42 PM
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Here's a go for you :)
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Old August 13th, 2006, 05:32 PM
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Roger,

I see you too added a gentle shadow on the white shirt. The leaf stands out. I wonder could there be some green light from the leaf on the girl's face?

Asher

O.T. BTW, I'm going to post RAW pictures from Tom's last Huntington shoot for more challenges.

Send me a note if you have pictures of interest,including faces, to retouch.

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Old August 13th, 2006, 06:08 PM
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listen to my wife.

What I mean to say is, I am always one to listen to my wife! :D

She had a suggestion for the picture, which I followed up on, here:

(BTW, in case anyone likes the effect in the first picture, which I have used very subtley, it is all within CS2. I use the "Find edges" command, then fade it down to about 3-6% on either "difference" of "exclusion" under the layers section.

Depending on your choices, it can produce an effect ranging from a very subtle surrealism, to a painterly effect, to a cartoonish "Yellow Submarine". I have no idea if this news or of any interest to folks - just thought I would mention it.) :)

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Old August 13th, 2006, 06:34 PM
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I listen to my wife? Evidently not well enough, I am afraid. :D :D

Here is my final version, I hope up to her standards: :)

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Old August 13th, 2006, 06:40 PM
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So she wanted you to turn on the magic lights?

In that case, maybe one should float on top of the leaf? Ask the wife first!

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Old August 14th, 2006, 05:29 AM
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Anyone want to tackle the blown out arm and shirt too? My solution was the added shadow pattern of a tree.
The blown out details can tackled via a mixture of calculations and curves to get a mask of the blown out areas (multiply the red and green channels to get an alpha channel and then use curves to shift the midtones close to black).

Using this mask, create curves adjustment layer to darken the image. Next, add noise to the layer mask and then fade this using multiply mode so the curves adjustment to darken the blown detail is now filtered with some noise to create texture. Blur the layer mask slightly (Gaussian blur radius 3 for this scale) and fade this in multiply mode (again, so only blown detail is affected). While this fails to create detail, it does take the blown detail and adds enough texture to make it look bright but not blown.

Other than that, this is a mixture of selective increases saturation, selective background blur to isolate the girls and leaf, plus a crop. Time, 10 or 15 minutes which is mostly masking work. I can post a PSD for those who want to see the process (top to bottom progressive layer tweaks).

The final dash of magic was to take the layer mask for the saturation, copy the saturated magic leaf, hit it with the motion blur filter, make 5 copies of the blurred version and selectively merge the, then transform that into a curve using the polar coordinates filter, and the tweaking it using free transform to blend with the composition.



While special effects were not requested, they do give it more of a magic touch.

enjoy,

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Old August 14th, 2006, 04:41 PM
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Sean,

Thanks for that work! Now that we are this far, would anyone like to offer how they would light this to get it right at capture, the magic, that is?

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Old August 14th, 2006, 08:03 PM
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Thanks for that work! Now that we are this far, would anyone like to offer how they would light this to get it right at capture, the magic, that is?
Asher,

You are welcome. To shoot this in one go I would explore it using 3 things.

1) A windy day to blur the foliage in the background more than you would get from defocus alone. Fans could emulate wind too. This could also blow the girls hair about adding a certain wild magic to the scene.

2) Use flash or studio strobes to light the girls and have the background darker. Perhaps softboxes or umbrellas overhead.

3) Some type of UV reactive paint on a fake leaf or a fake leaf of UV reactive paint and a bright UV light onto the "leaf". The girls outfits might need to be changed to ensure they are not reflecting the UV back. Or, even simply using a black light on the ground at the girls feet. We just need something to make the magic of the leaf happen.

Using this, I would work towards getting the shot by dragging the shutter with rear curtain sync and adjusting the light until it works how you want it.

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Old August 14th, 2006, 08:36 PM
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Sean,

Thanks for that work! Now that we are this far, would anyone like to offer how they would light this to get it right at capture, the magic, that is?

Asher
Shoot at night, and paint with light with camera on tripod on bulb setting? Use colored gels over flashlights, perhaps, to illuminate the flower differently from the girls and the background.
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Old August 14th, 2006, 10:15 PM
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Thanks guys for the ideas. I might retake the picture!

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Old August 14th, 2006, 11:19 PM
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Adjusted in Lightroom.
Photoshop added a light effect, lens flare and a little burn on the face cheek.

Total 2min

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Old August 14th, 2006, 11:56 PM
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Well Brian,

Sure looks like magic to me!

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Old August 15th, 2006, 02:33 AM
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Here's my take on this image. Some shadow/highlight tool, motionblur with layer mask on the right side and a few other small tweaks that I have now forgotten.

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Old August 15th, 2006, 02:38 AM
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Bernard, that is another good effort!

I like the fact that you kept a reflection on the little girls hair so she is noticed!

She now becomes an important observer in the picture,

Thanks, I'like how each person adds another nuance by doing things in their way!

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Old August 15th, 2006, 12:49 PM
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how about cropping for an 8X10" to remove the empty and useless space on the right?
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