Don Lashier
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Asher Kelman said:People who are poor get to be dumped in jail. Nobody redacts and rewites reports.
People who are poor get beaten up - remember Rodney King, whose behaviour was probably not as outrageous as Mel?
- DL
Asher Kelman said:People who are poor get to be dumped in jail. Nobody redacts and rewites reports.
Roger Lambert said:Could you go into more depth about that, Chuck?
Abraham H. Foxman said:... His tirade finally reveals his true self ... It is unfortunate that it took an excess of booze and an encounter with a police officer to reveal what was really in his heart and mind.
We would hope that Hollywood now would realize the bigot in their midst and that they will distance themselves from this anti-Semite.
Asher Kelman said:We have a perfect right, no I should say, responsibilty, to denounce M.G. or any other racist. Admission, accountability, change in behavior and restitution commensurate with his wealth, would go a long way to him earning himself forgiveness.
Chuck Fry said:Let's let the ADL speak for themselves:
A. they saw "The Passion" as an expression of a clear pattern of deliberate bigotry. That's like saying 1 + 2 = 56.
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Chuck Fry said:I'm sorry, I don't agree that Gibson has been proven to be a racist. And I don't agree that denouncing people on the basis of their presumed attitudes is responsible in any way.
What more would you have him do, Asher? Would you crucify him??
Asher Kelman said:He is attitudes are not "presumed". The facts speak for themselves. His upbringing, his archaic church, his father, his retention of views disavowed by Catholic Church, his rendering of the Passion and the photographed transcripts.
Dierk Haasis said:[this is the first instance of Godwin's Law in this thread; and I take it upon myself!],
Dierk Haasis said:he has not ever actually done anything anti-semitic, he has not even called anybody to arms against Jews.
Roger Lambert said:For starters, he aids and abets a notorious and active anti-semite, his father
Evidently, Mr Gibson has spent over $5 million on expansion of a Catholic Church compound for a denomination his father explicitly recommended, which follows preVatican 2 canons. Granted, this sum is a pittance, considering how much money he has made on ...
[Passion of the Christ] is antisemitic propaganda at its finest.
Dierk Haasis said:Make no mistake, I am not exempting Gibson, sr. or parts of the Catholic church, particularly not on their almost complete silence during the 30s and 40s on German politics. I simply don't think this amounts to outright anti-semitism by Mel.
Dierk Haasis said:The most he may be guilty of is naivete, believeing his father cannot be wrong.
Dierk Haasis said:I don't deny that the Gospels are anti-Jewish and that any literal adaptation necessarily shows that. My criticism of this specific film has always been that it shows the naivete of its maker.
Will_Perlis said:"Should we dislike Mel Gibson because he is a drunk? Because he is a Catholic? Because he is a human being behaving bad towards everybody and the kitchen sink on one instance?"
The latter. I don't care what he thinks. There are hoards of people thinking far worse thoughts out there and I've thought some myself at times.
I care about what he *does*, and becoming a direct threat to anyone near him via DUI (especially at his age and with his admitted self-knowledge) is something I'm not inclined to forgive. It's not as if he doesn't have someone(s) handy and happy to drive him to the nearest pizza or burger joint whenver the urge hits him.
Ray West said:But in reality, at a higher level, I think its rather funny.
Nill Toulme said:I'm just counting among my many blessings the fact that it's the Sports forum and not this one I'm moderating...
Nill Toulme said:I'm just counting among my many blessings the fact that it's the Sports forum and not this one I'm moderating...
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Asher Kelman said:BTW, I should have visited Dierk in Germany and gotten him drunk at the Munich Beer Garden where we watched the world cup.
The answer is 42
Asher Kelman said:Further 87 MPH drunk driving in a residential zone is not a sign of a man "struggling" with alcoholism.